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From Corporate Heights to Intuitive Depths: A Journey of Self-Discovery with Shuang-Min Chang
Shuang Ming Chang shares her journey from thriving in luxury fashion retail to becoming an intuitive mentor after experiencing burnout, depression, and physical collapse. Her transformation reveals profound insights about redefining success and finding balance between achievement and self-care.
• Left a prestigious corporate career that was causing mysterious illnesses and burnout
• Experienced a physical "collapse" after leaving corporate, sleeping 16 hours daily for nearly a year
• Transitioned from being primarily logical to embracing intuition and emotions
• Now works as an intuitive mentor helping successful professionals create balance without sacrifice
• Views success as an "ecosystem" with oneself at the center
• Emphasizes that we don't have to choose between success and self-care
• Encourages people to stand in their truth even when others don't understand
Connect with Shuang Ming through the website linked in the episode description to learn more about her intuitive mentoring services.
https://shuangminchang.com/
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Hello everybody, this is Still Roses podcast. This podcast was created for women, by women, to elevate women's voices. I'm very excited to introduce you to our guest this evening. Today we have with us Shuang Ming Chang. For over a decade, shuang Ming thrived working in luxury fashion retail, leading growth for French and Italian brands across China. On the outside, her life reflected success elite schools, prestigious jobs and global opportunities. In parallel in her life journey, she wrestled with depression, self-doubt and burnout. This dual experience external achievement and deep inner discovery became the foundation of her mission to help others redefine success, not by conventional standards, but through, with and from love. Shuang Min, welcome to the podcast. Thank you for joining me today.
Speaker 2:Hello Jenny, hello everyone. I'm so happy to be here.
Speaker 1:I'm very excited to have you. Last time we chatted, we went way over. We were like two hours long while I was cooking. It was a total casual chat that just kept going and I loved it. Total, total casual chat that just kept going and I loved it. Um, I would really love for you to introduce yourself to the listeners today and share your story with them, um, because I I think I gave just the tip of the iceberg there, so I would love to hear more from you about your story and your journey.
Speaker 2:Okay, so, um, on top of that introduction, i'm'm a Bo Hengberg Taiwanese. At the same time, I had about at least 15 years of experience living abroad. Apart from my professional life, I used to drink enthusiastic. I surf, actually, I left my best corporate job. It's the intention to start surfing again, becoming a surfer. I love to read, I love to ride. Um, I pick up like party after, like I like with the plants. Um, I used to be a super organized, logical I'm still in, but like use it used to be. Like. Logic is on the forefront of everything I do and right now, intuition is at the forefront of everything I do and it's the life has gave me a lot of surprises and transitions and told me that there's nothing impossible unless I think it's impossible to be the person I am to the kind of person I am, or to reinvent myself. I think this okay, for now.
Speaker 1:No, no that was good that was good.
Speaker 1:That was good.
Speaker 1:No, so I want to go back a little bit because, um, you've lived like almost like two or three lives, right, like, in my opinion, you, you've done a lot of things and you really do have this really great um, I almost want to call it like a spiritual powerfulness, because when we chatted originally so listeners, you guys all know that I always pre-chat with everybody and when and I chatted last time I was cooking and we were just chatting and it flowed so well, the energy was aligned so nicely.
Speaker 1:When you, your journey has been a long one and I want to focus in on when you made the decision and I don't know if it was a quick decision or if it was something that was over time you had this corporate powerhouse career. You know, I know that when I was growing up, that was like the goal I was told corporate goal. You know you have to go corporate and I'm interested in hearing your feelings and your experience and what was going on in your head when you were starting to get to the point where you knew that the corporate direction really wasn't feeding your soul. Like, how did you? That transition from corporate mindset to to what we talk about now is vastly different.
Speaker 1:So I am curious about like how did, how did that come about for you?
Speaker 2:You. You kind of jog one of my memories I also grew up with. You know like you had to find a super good company and being successful in that super good company. I knew there was like so like people who starting their business, but to be honest, they were just like really a vague intellectual concept. It was not really in my mind and during my time in a corporate, like some friends who are really close to me and since I was a pro all the time, so I met my friends, maybe like once a while. Interestingly, awesome will ask me when are you going to start your own business? Because everyone thought I am a business owner for my personality and I would reply to them no, I prefer working for other people. It's simple and easy. I get my paycheck every month right and how do I, you know, like move on. This answer to where I am now, it's just an into, I tune intuitive how I felt.
Speaker 2:My last corporate career, my own, only corporate career, was really fast-paced. There are a lot of high pressure, just for, you know, external striving. Since it's in retail, its business, there's always high target. I work in fashion, so there are also a lot of pressure um perception on myself as well, even even I managed well, so I didn't see that much in the industry, but it was there. And then you know, like when we went to europe for for the buying trip, it was like nonstop. I could go 20 days without sleeping more than five hours or four hours, and then we skipped most meals and then just to get that session done. So it was at least four or five times a year. So it was kind of I always regenerate for two months and a half and then I max it out in 10, 20 days and regenerate and at the same time when I climb the ladder I need to, I need also needed to travel more because I visit his store. We did the training and and you know when headquarter can visit I'm, I'm in the untrace, you know, because I I in charge departments. All those things didn't.
Speaker 2:In the whole planning of so-called corporate there was no concept of this employee is a human being, right? This employee needs rest, or this employee that didn't have, by nature, order. There's no possibility to keep giving and not receiving. I'm not just talking about salary or respect or validation. We need much more to strive than that. Yes, yes, and so at some point I did that job from my early 20s to 30s and then almost approaching my mid-30s, especially for women.
Speaker 2:We can just instinctively sense that the body is changing right, no matter whether we are I'm not married, I don't have children, but like the body is changing and also with the pressure. With the pressure and with the fast speed of you know, like irregularity, especially travel in time zones. It's irregular by before already. Like that sense, especially I train the gym. I'm very in tune with my body, so like I can sense the difference and I can sense how much harder I need to push my body. Compared. You know, in my early 20s and also in later years, um, they were experienced that my body just suddenly got really sick, like there was like no, but no doctor could find a reason and every time I was taking painkiller, antibiotics, they couldn't like. They did all possible tests like blood tests, x-ray and and whatever. They just couldn't find a reason and those medicine actually made me feel worse than my symptoms.
Speaker 1:They but they needed to stop.
Speaker 2:It was really yeah yeah, they, they needed to stop the pain, but then the rest, will you like, the side effect will be in the rest. So, like, at some point I needed to ask myself that I am in life, we are always trading time and energy for something that's just, you know, the fundamental exchange of life. So at some point I had to ask myself that, in the trajectory of more money and more title, more beautiful travels, of course, like I travel in business and then I have the money to, you know like, plan my very few vacations, but I still have that capacity to do that, you know, like, how, how much more I'm willing to train that, and I think it was something that it's all felt but not necessarily talked about is that in that corporate setting I am also trading part of my dreams that doesn't belong to corporate, and I'm not saying that's right or wrong, but we have people, I have. We all have different life stages and how we are waiting to trade in for something for one particular thing or for a particular couple of things is different. So I also need to consider carefully what I'm willing to trade in. For example, I shared that I wanted to surf and surfing is a very particular sport, like it has to be in a particular location and it has to be done like in a gym, every single day or often enough.
Speaker 2:And there's a lot of to learn. You know, learn the weather, read the waves, read the wind. If I'm not there, I just they're just not happening. So I also need to ask myself that how much more or how much longer I'm willing to hold other dreams in my life in Service of this dream. The corporate career, that success was my dream too. But you know like I need to move with the transition of my life instead of telling my life no, like I'm super comfortable. Now let's stick to it, because actually the body shows all those sudden illness, so that's how I can sit. I, I didn't, I didn't even think about I'm going to be an entrepreneur. There was too far into the future.
Speaker 1:You know, I, I like, I like how you talked about the story, that part of your story, because what I heard and and what came through loud and clear for me and I want to say this for the listeners, just in case, but I want to see if this message came through but for me, listening to you, it sounded very much to me like your soul was basically telling you it was not feeling well and because, because you were working to the capacity that you were working, your soul was suffering because you were not feeding that part of you and I.
Speaker 1:I and without that balance, because there's I mean, there's plenty of people that thrive in corporate, they love it, like that really is something that like brings out the best in them. That that's all good too, you know, and I want to be clear on that too. Like there's some people that really thrive on, like they love it, and I know people like this that they just do so well with it and it's great to see them shine like that. But for those of us who think, like we have this other part of us, that we need this creativity, that we need something to feed our soul, to feed our spirit, yeah there's that finding that balance and striking that balance.
Speaker 1:I do find it interesting that within this, at about the same age that I was, when I was making my transition from like I'm all in corporate to like no wait, jenny, you need some balance here. It was about the same age that you went through. So I'm very it's and I'm not sure. And, as you're talking and I wanted to get your opinion here, I'm wondering and I know that you know, throughout our lives our brains will go through changes, yeah, and I'm wondering maybe that is a point like maybe that is almost like a fork in the road when we turn 35, where we start to see, like some other side of us that we're like oh, there's this other part here that we need to acknowledge and pay attention to, because it sounded a little bit like that while you were talking. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I observed, because I believe that everything happened in life for a reason and I never thought that that corporate choice was wrong because it gave me so much experience up to this point. But how I see I am at least I am guided, so everyone can see where there's a bit of resonance in it, how I see I'm guided, is that we actually our brand only fully developed around like 21, you know. And uh, there was like and I'm not talking about the, the, the intangible capacity, I'm just talking about the brand, you know, the outfit and the head, yeah, but it's around like 21. So, before 21, like all our capacity is just like, you know, learning how I work, how I use this function of myself, and so during that time and when it's fully developed and going to maturity needs some time. So during this time I'm kind of guided with, like very simple tasks, so I call it it, you know, being a student, finding a job, learning how to navigate society, you know, understand the basic rules. But once we reach a certain maturity and we are able to, you know, like, put all this together, I call it data collecting. So we started to understand what I enjoy, what I don't enjoy, and we still have the remembers of our childhood.
Speaker 2:The difference between this adult life and with our childhood and a lot of happening or what we really enjoy in our childhood is actually the foundation of how we strive or being alive. It's just just when we grew up that expression is different. For example, I used to draw a lot when I was a little girl. So that creativity has to be there. It may be a creativity into a project I do at work, but that element has to be there to make me feel alive. And, for example, I'm a huge learner and introvert, so I spend a lot of time, you know, like watching Discovery on my own, reading books on my own. They listen to, you know, stories of tapes, of foreign stories on my own. So that big learning part is also like what came me alive.
Speaker 2:So when I, when I'm in a corporate, I need that part which was hugely missing for me. You know I it's just not. It's not just about learning about the profession, it's learning about a lot of things so I can bring into the profession. Yeah, so like when we mature, we started to see the different or feel the difference, like what's missing or what is still there and our mind or let's say, our spirit will start to recalibrate. You know, like to help us to understand a total picture of what we experienced so far? Of course, along the way, we have emotions. We'll sense something when we mature to 30, something, 35, it's kind of a point. I had a conversation. It's not like oh, I have to, now I'm 35, I need to do the reflection, the reflection, the reflection would come no, it just happens, yeah, yeah the reflection will come and it's up to us, whether we are aware enough to it, to into that reflection.
Speaker 2:Because I also know a lot of people. They they learn to ignore that voice. So later on, when I work with some clients, they came to me actually very disconnected. They are not sure what they want. They don't remember how they feel alive before. Oh, you know all those. So in the journey we are learning to tune in or tune out, tune in and tune out, and and when we started tuning in, tune out, tune out, we will master this two side at some point. And then, but with our life journey and also our perceptions and everything we learned like we started to talk about healing and trauma and so on, I learned to tune in for some reason, you know, and some people's journey is tuning out, but at some point we were all given the opportunity to choose whether we want to chew in or chew out, as you said, like 30-something approaching mid-30s, yes, and then there will be one like 40 or mid-40s. It will be another way If we don't do it. In the 30s, like 40 was definitely come, yeah.
Speaker 1:You know it's interesting because it's almost like. You know, when I was growing up, I always thought of life almost like oh, it's almost like a race to the finish, like, oh, once I hit this age, like that'll be, then I'll have it all figured out. And what I figured out is that you never actually have it all figured out.
Speaker 1:You just have to keep. You don't actually at all ever. I make sure my kids know like mommy is not perfect, like I don't have it all figured out we need. It's like a constant learning curve here and I want to circle back because I want, I want you to talk about what you're working on now and what you're doing now. So you decide you're you're going to depart from corporate. So I think you took time off at that point, right? So just reevaluate and reignite yourself.
Speaker 1:You had to and honestly, I do actually think about it like a reignite. You had to reignite yourself, because figuring out what was missing and where you're finding your footing, that takes a long time, like you know. It's not just like, oh, I'm going to sit in silence for a couple of minutes and you know, an epiphany is coming my way. Like it does take time and you do have to be in tune with yourself. So I know you took the break and then you decided you were going to help others with what you've been through.
Speaker 2:It doesn't come in that logical order. Even now it sounds quite logical how we would do. It took me a while to go off the treadmill of that corporate mindset, like I had to keep doing, keep planning and setting a target and I needed to hit it. It actually took me a while. So when I left corporate, um, the first thing I deal with is financial security, because I used to earn quite a lot and then I don't have paycheck. It's not that I didn't have saving, but that that sense of not having everything coming steadily, it's very scary. And then so that was the first thing, that I didn't have savings, but that that sense of not having everything coming daily, it's very scary. And then so that was the first thing that I tend to, and the way I tend to is that I need to create something. I need I can make money. So actually how? Um, like, I am an intuitive mentor and coach right now. So I've been.
Speaker 2:I went through the depression when I was 23. So personal development, personal growth, self-mastery has been there alongside with my career path. So it was just quite naturally especially I like guiding my teams that incorporate. So it was quite naturally that when I needed to find a way to make money like this is kind of direction I would try. So when I left corporate corporate the intention was actually to create something that I can make money even I'm not doing I am not, I didn't push myself to do something I didn't like but that heavy corporate mindset, setting target and make myself like um being validated outside, you know, have a title again like creative for myself and then have a certain earning to tell everyone if someone asked that was there I actually burned myself out.
Speaker 2:I was a bit burned out on and off during the corporate, but it was like I didn't have time to reflect. But in the process of business, creation is really different because I had all the time for myself. So it's very easy to observe how I was different than before. So what I observed is that first two years, whenever I set a plan, I sabotage it by the way of not waking up at the time I planned or not doing the thing I planned, which was shocking to myself because I was super disciplined.
Speaker 2:If you ask anyone who knows me from my 20s to my 30s, everyone will tell you like John means super disciplined, super organized and super efficient, and I was everything but those three when I was at an initial stage, when I was trying to create my business and it wasn't that I didn't want to be those, I just couldn't. You know, like my body and my mind just didn't want to work with me anymore. And so there was a time that, of course, I got panicked, first because what used to work didn't work, and I used those methods for more than two decades in my life or even more even longer when I was growing up Luckily, over time with myself, you know, like self-learning, self-growing and learning to master my own inner self I knew there was something coming for me.
Speaker 2:I just didn't understand and I was really panicked. So I had a habit whenever I was in big confusion I knew it was time to set a big intention. That was so clear, there was no doubt. So I set the intention of I am willing to find out what's going on here. I knew it wasn't working. I knew I was called for something that I didn't know. So I wanted to know.
Speaker 2:So I kind of set the intention and and quickly I was guided to a sherman and which I didn't know she was, and then I started, went into you know whole, those whole like things I didn't believe. You know the energy talking to spirit, and I went through the session of working with the plants. It was not psychedelic, it was just general plant extract helped me to recalibrate my energy and my body and also to help me to work with my dreams for a year. And that's how I was initiated, because when I met that Sherman it was a friend's friend, she didn't know me at all, but then, after a couple of exchange in the conversation. She just told me you are born. You are born channeler, something like that, like in Chinese, but like it was. Like I was born super intuitive and connected to whatever invisible around me and it was something that makes so much sense for me, you know, because there was evidences in my life, but I didn't know how to interpret that um, because nobody tell me about this part of humans. So there was like it was actually to nurture myself in a way, to find a new way forward, because it always didn't work and I was exhausted. And that exhaustion is much more because I didn't have a corporate to force me anymore, I was the one culture myself. I was the one forcing myself and that was all happening inside. It was too much. So that's how I decided. So I took a pause in a way, not voluntary at the beginning. I just didn't know what didn't work. And then when the chairman told me, like you actually max yourself out, your body is like a 100 year old rundown house, there's nothing to give anymore. And and like you know, like it was a shocking um realization because I was highly functional, I was serving four hours a day and doing all those calls, meetings and activities. My body seems to function fine, at least even not according to my schedule, but it was functioning fine. So it was like a shocking truth. Then, well, as I said, I already knew that I didn't know what was coming. And well, as I said, I already knew that I didn't know what was coming, so I sent a genuine feedback from her. So I listened to her, started nurturing my body.
Speaker 2:The interesting thing is that when my body knew I was there for it, it just crumbled. I used to be training in a gym doing all those crazy exercises. I used to be training in a gym doing all those crazy exercises. It wasn't much more compared to how people perceive the size of me. Suddenly, it became really difficult for me to walk up a gentle slope. I couldn't. It just crumbled down.
Speaker 2:And then I stayed 16 hours a day 12 to 16 hours for almost a year, like I can't do anything other than sleeping, and then I ate for five people per meal and I didn't get weight. Oh, my goodness, it's a magical part. You know, like how, how exhausting my body was. It was a very incredible two years for me, like it was scary because I needed to took, I needed to take a full pause because my body knew that it didn't need to force itself to cooperate with my mind anymore. It just crumbled and I scaled down on surfing. I still do, but I didn't like force myself, not force myself, I just didn't like put myself in rigid schedule. You know like I really take care of my body first. Whenever I needed sleep, I sleep when needed. Whenever I needed to go for a hot spring, I went for a hot spring, like everything is. You know, it used to be in service of that career.
Speaker 2:In those two years I was only in service of this body and I needed to. I need to. I needed to withdraw a lot of commitment, which was scary for me because I used to be the kind of personality of Sean Lee always sees through Everything, goes through her hand, it's going to be done. But at that moment I was called to practice. I needed to withdraw my commitment and the reason is just myself, that it cannot be justified and there was a lot to learn. I cut off a lot of my connections. I just told them that I can't not be justified and there was a lot to learn. Like um, I cut off a lot of my connections. I just told them that I can't like um, I can't explain but like anytime I I need to withdraw um.
Speaker 2:So, like I, I basically for two years I talked to less than five people. You know it's coming from a big corporate. It was always socializing, trying to make connections. Yeah, even I was an introvert. It was a really different dynamic and that's how I took a break and I didn't take any clients at all and at the same time, the transition is real from a super logical mindset person to it's all about emotions. You know how do you feel today, because intuition is about emotions. You know how do you feel today Because intuition is about emotions. You know how we receive messages. Actually, the first layer is through emotions. And how do I feel? Like there are moments I told my friend like F for emotions. Can I like talking about numbers now Working with Excel sheet instead of am?
Speaker 1:I going to E today. I know.
Speaker 2:So it was like I had that and slowly I came out and it took me also, um, a bit of time to really interplay the old part of me and the new part of me, because I didn't know how to stand in front of people who used to know me, because I'm so different. I used to be show me what's your plan. It's like, oh, on Saturday, this and this, this and this, this and this and this, and then it became like show me, what are you going to do tomorrow?
Speaker 1:I said, I will think about it tomorrow morning. Wait a minute, I have to. I got to ask. You must have had people around you being like, what are you doing? Like you're throwing everything away, Like there must have been people in your life that were just like totally shocked Because that's a huge. Like I haven't shifted quite as bit as much as that. Like I still I still have my corporate wall, I can still maintain the podcast, but like that's a huge jump. I will say this, though I do know that I'm mindful about Because of the work that I do, I have to also be very logical and very data-centric, and it's all about the research and it's all about the data. So when I start to talk about, like intuition or, you know, channeling your energy, I definitely feel the raised eyebrows. Like Jenny, really, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Um, I, yeah, I think first it's. It's. It's really uncomfortable when people ask me like what's wrong with you or what happened to you, you know, know, like when we say what happened to usually is in in a like leaning to the slightly negative side. First I need, I had to learn. I need to learn that I don't need to explain myself. We all change in life and with drastic lifestyle change, our identity and how we express ourselves will change drastically. Before this, I mentioned I went through a depression. Before I recovered from my depression, I was a super cynical, always angry person. That person that me is very hard to imagine right now. I used to get like suddenly really angry at them.
Speaker 2:And I used to have like all kinds of negative view about the world. That was the first transition I made. So if you ask people who knew me in high school or in college and now, or the one in corporate, it was just like weird. And then, from corporate to this, it's also weird. I just need to embrace my own weirdness and then I don't think it's weird at all.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry to interrupt. I have to interrupt you because I don't think it's strange at all. I will. In my early 20s, prior to 26, I would have these moments of like intense rage over, like dumb, the dumbest thing, and I and honestly, as you were talking, I started reflecting back and I remember I actually remember when I started retraining myself to pull myself out of being like that, because I had just started to read and understand what it meant to like be in tune with your emotions and to be in tune with yourself, and I had just started to scratch the surface really lightly, and I knew, with the spiraling rage, what would end up happening is something would trigger me and then it would send me down this freaking wormhole of just everything is garbage, everything sucks the whole day, everything's trash, I hate this job, I hate this and that and that, and it wasn't, though. It was just this, like one moment, and so if I just learned to retrain my brain, that took a really long time for me to be able to do that, and that was the.
Speaker 1:I totally forgot until you just mentioned it. That was the very first thing that I learned and the very first transition I did was when I, from 25 to 26, I retrained my brain to stop being so angry. It was the craziest thing, yeah.
Speaker 2:And so this transition I also learned if I don't have courage to express this new expression of myself, I would never be around people who will resonate, or people around me they will. They can never learn to resonate with me in a new way. For example, just yesterday, last evening, my brother, he came home, he will, he work in a different city. So he came home this weekend and he decided last minute he wanted to go to a movie because the anime Demon Slayer is on and we are all like really crazy about the anime. And so we decided last minute to go to the cinema, but it was so popular we didn't know whether we can get the. You know the position of the seats we want. So I just say it out loud oh, universe, tomorrow, someday, we are busy, so please let us get a ticket tonight, like this evening, and they will laugh like my dad will laugh.
Speaker 2:My father will like not knowing what I'm talking about, but I think you, saying it like so often they started to. You know, at least lend me, and sometimes I will do. You know, we indeed gotta take it. So I will say see, the universe works in a way. I think human relations it's about mutual learning how, what each other is, and if we don't, we don't know who we are and we don't stand for who we are. We will never find people who will give us a space to be who we are and it's a learning. It's a learning process because let's not talk about like intuition or logic. Even when I'm transitioning into from it hardware industry that was my first job to fashion my family went crazy because I think hardware industry because it is a fake industry in Taiwan, so IT hardware is kind of like comprehensible especially what the hell is that? So they went crazy.
Speaker 1:Right, because they're going to look at you like you have this great job. Why are you going over here Like this?
Speaker 2:is all you needed, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I do have to agree with you in terms of like between like humans in general, finding other souls that like are on the same like energy level as you. I have found, and I'm actually I've been noticing it recently there are three people total that I've met in the past three years. What is it 2025? In the past four years, um, there are three people that I met, that I met them and almost immediately knew I was like Ooh, this person has a good, good vibrational energy Like I. I want to maintain a friendship here and it's very, it's very interesting. You can actually feel it and you can tell when people have that good like, and I don't mean like good or bad or it's a bad person. You can actually feel it and you can tell when people have that, and I don't mean like good or bad, or it's a bad person or a good person, I mean like. You can just kind of feel that energy level yes, and one of these people.
Speaker 1:I was invited to a function for them and I got to meet, like you know, everyone in their circle and it was a shocking amount of good people gathered in one setting and you could see the supportiveness amongst the group and I don't think they probably I don't even know that they realize what they have, because I was observing from an outside perspective and I was not shocked, but I was, oh, I was almost excited to see this and to actually be witnessing it in this setting. I was like this is such a beautiful thing and I'm not sure if they all realize how beautiful the symmetry is between all of them. It was just. It was so impressive to see, because you don't get to see it that much, and it was a large group of people and the symmetry was there.
Speaker 1:I do want to ask you so now you are mentoring folks and you are coaching folks now, right, yeah, that's correct. So you work with clients individually to help them, I guess, regain their sense of self. Is that like? I don't want to put words in your mouth, but is that about right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and also like at the process of regaining their sense of self. They don't feel. Because a lot of a of time, when we are in transition, we fall into that belief that we need to give up everything. That's, that's a story the society tell us. If we want to change into something, we need to give up. To scary, to scare our, to scare us out of thinking about changing, which is the natural part of human nature.
Speaker 2:So the way I I support my clients, it's well, most of them, they are highly successful corporate executives. So how to re-approach success without sacrificing what they want at the same time? Because it's not about choosing success over self, choosing money over self. You know that's another dynamic. So I'm supporting them to create this transition and also to claim other parts of their life. I call it the. I call success is actually the ecosystem, our life. We are the center of our universe, but in usually the work or the children is our center of universe, right? So how do we reclaim this center of universe and then activate it actively, actively creating our ecosystem? How do we tend to that? What's the balance in here? What's in our ecosystem?
Speaker 2:How do people they don't even know? You know, there are the obvious, you know, if they're married with children, so that's the family and probably original family and their work. But there are our bodies. Yes, they may go to the gym and know like some kind of good nutrition or diet of food, but it's easy to buy into the, the society, the trend of you. Know I need to be thin, but our body is much more, but it's the most comfortable shape of you.
Speaker 2:I learned it like also in the gym. You know, like I've never like the model. It's an ideal, but based on the ideal my body actually wants. You know, like there are details, like there are also our emotions. A lot of people tend to the family, the job trading in their emotions, but it doesn't need to be so. I mentor and guide my clients how to recognize what's really there in the sphere and how to tend to them without feeling the fear or without falling into. I need to give up. I need to sacrifice because I'm going for myself, so I need to again. They got more of my dream. That was good. I thank you for myself, so I need to again take more of my dream.
Speaker 1:That was good. Thank you for that. That was perfect. I like how you explained that. You know, I've never thought of it like that, Like I'm the center of the universe and like how is my, how is my ecosystem set up? And I will say this over the past like 15 or so years, I've been really selective with how I'm cultivating that ecosystem. Yeah, my husband, really selective with how I'm cultivating that ecosystem.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my husband, I'm very careful. I think I told you that when we were having our chat. We're really careful about like who we invite into this, yeah, to our home, and who we allow into our energy field, because we've had situations where we've had people over and you know, you don't always know everyone really well before they come over yeah.
Speaker 1:And we've had scenarios where, after, like, guests have left, we're like, Ooh, we need to do a cleansing or something. It's very interesting. So I I think that it's. I love that you took something and you've taken your experience and you've turned it into something that truly could change someone else's life. Like that's such a, it's such a beautiful thing that you're, you're being basically like the energy guide, like you're helping guide them to be able to be aware and actually fully living their life and not just living a shell of a life. Yeah, that's such a wonderful thing.
Speaker 1:Shalmayne, do you want to leave the listeners or the viewers with any final thoughts or anything that you'd like them to be aware of? Oh, and you know what listeners? I do have the website. If you do want to work with Shalmaine, I have it here linked on the screen. You can click on it live in the video for the viewers who are watching via video and then for the listeners for the podcast, I'm going to link it into the episode description so that you can check her out there as well. Do you have any final thoughts you want to share with the listeners?
Speaker 2:I want to share something actually I was talking about in a conversation yesterday about self-mastery. We are here to master ourselves so we can create a world that we can call heaven here on earth. The term heaven on earth, it came to me. It's not an original thought of me, it actually came to me through my sphere again, the people in my sphere, the heaven. We are here in this generation to create heaven on earth and to create that.
Speaker 2:I call it, you can call it. Take into your highest potential, you can call it, you know, realize your biggest dreams, whatever, but we are here to do that and do that. To do that. It's about mastering ourselves, like really know what is going on inside so the resonance will ripple out outside. I think the rising, the tide is rising for everyone, for humans to create from the soul, which is love, instead of creating from scarcity, which is competition and war, and we see how that goes right now. Yes, so to tune in yourself and set the intention to create from peace and love, and that will bring you much more than the current structure is telling us.
Speaker 1:yes, I 100. I agree. Thank you for that. That was perfectly said. That was perfect, thank you. Thank you, um. Thank you for being on with me today.
Speaker 2:I really thank you for today time to talk with me.
Speaker 1:yeah, absolutely, listeners. Thank you so much for joining us today. Reach out to Shalmane. She is available and I did link the website and I'll link it in the description as well, so you guys can check her out. We hope you have a great evening and we will catch you on the next one. Take care.
